1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. Do you send women to your articles as a response? I can always use more people praying for me. Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. 3. Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. Your objection is most likely answered here. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. Evangelical/Non-Denominational. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. There are two crucial reasons for this. It would stand to reason that all those that have never heard of Christ have not accepted Him and therefore, as Rom 1 details, they die in their sin. I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Dear Michelle, Thank you so much for your consideration, They start, not with a biblical truth but with a story or life experience, and then they build doctrine and beliefs out of that experience. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. How to Live Beyond Yourself We can experience fullness of life by acknowledging our weakness, putting our past behind us, striving toward a worthy goal, and going for broke. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. It just says dont. Period. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. on her, one of them probably will. No where did she usurp authority etc. These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. But Jesus said unto them, They need not Verse 13. Thank you, Michelle! read more, Scripture: Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. I understand that you have your opinion about Mrs Shirer but to judge I do not think God led you to write this check your heart. Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Then why did you ask me any questions? #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. On October 16, 2016, Priscilla and her husband, children, and mother were in attendance at T.D. This is not a Church. The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. The riches of His word are amazing! If our feelings, opinions, or experiences contradict Gods word, then those feelings, experiences, and opinions are wrong and we need to repent and believe Gods word instead. If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? This article really turned me off on her. Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. Because you seem to be arguing against the biblical truth youve already read and have rejected reading any of the further biblical teaching Ive referred you to. BEYOND ENCOURAGEMENT It means to trust that the Bible has all the answers and truths we need to live a holy and pleasing life before Godwe don't need anything beyond what God has provided for us in His Word (see 2 Peter 1:3 ). Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. Genesis 24:1-4. You are an intelligent woman. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. Go beyond what's fair. I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). And if I perish, I perish. Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. Did you feel any kind of fear? The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. Thats very wise, and I respect that. Are you into apologetics or something? read more, Scripture: If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. It does NOT say, and be baptist. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. Elizabeth. There are None. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. Click here I would suggest beginning with the article entitled Jill in the Pulpit (youll have to scroll down a bit to get to it). They are busy caring for their churches. What we believe about that is irrelevant. 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry Introduction If youve poked around the blog a bit, you might have noticed that we just started a new Wednesday Bible study on the book of Colossians. ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. It does NOT say, and be baptist. No-one is beyond hope. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. She admits it. Have women not been given a part in The Great Commission from Jesus? And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). Isaiah 58:12. I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. MATTHEW 14:16 Jeremiah 24:7. Or and be .. Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. Be a Christian Who Cares in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." Mark 5:32 Verse Concepts And He looked around to see the woman who had done this. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. INTRODUCTION She was the chosen bride, not for doing the minimum, but for going beyond the expected. My article, Jill in the Pulpit examines 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (the clearest and most concise passage addressing this topic) in context and explains it (in what I hope is a clear and understandable way- if not, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions). And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. You are teaching me and I didnt even realize it! And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends, please click here and read this article first, Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. September 1, 2002 Go beyond our fears. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. We're called to not live by our feelings but by faith ( 2 Cor. Did anything frighten you this morning? There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). Also, there are some great resources here. and Serita Jakes (see below). Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. read more, Scripture: Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Jude 18-19. It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. This is how people learn and grow in their faith. Free Sermons and Sermon Outlines for Preaching : How To Respond To Newly-Delivered People Who Still Are A Mess. It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He taught them: Pray then like this: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every Just got home form a conference defending the faith. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 2 Kings 5:1-15. Heres more info. #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. I am not sure that the Gospel Coalition is a credible source. http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. Thats why I said may have been. Whether that particular moment in time was, in fact, the moment that Priscilla was introduced to false doctrine and false teachers can be debated, but the fact of the matter is that she came under the influence of false teachers at some point and still unequally yokes herself to them and teaches false doctrine today. Jesus did that too, so did Samuel, so did Elijah . , an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic. Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. 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