So you used a gm smog pump but with another motor? So the pressure of the churning air moved by the spinning parts plus the blowby would need to be less than what the evap pump can draw. A pump is a pump. I'll be doing basically the same approach. About Us - I don't really hear it inside the car, but i have an exhaust hose run from the pump to the outside of the car. Oh, if you are running on alcohol running the pump all the time will help keep the oil dry and make it last a lot longer, according to our own Don Wang. 1) If you don't want the crankcase vapors to be routed through the IC, then simply vent to atmosphere, as all cars did until about the mid-60s. This is something that I've been in process with for a while now, but am drawing near to the end. To Electric Pump Crankcase Evacuation System. I found this Earl's piece but with the design of the gen 3 head, it won't fit. Cost should be in the $50-75 range and work equally as well. Does anyone have a good idea what kind of pressure is built up inside an engine that has a decent ring seal? that oil will wreck the motor quick. Privacy Statement - JavaScript is disabled. Just my opinion. These ford thermactor pumps will pull 4 inches and work fine on the street, they pull more than most collector tube set ups. Electric Vacuum Pumps For Crankcase Pressure, What's Out There Over 5". hose. cons: expensive, heavy, and takes up a huge amount of room. A forum community dedicated to Toyota MR2 owners and enthusiasts. ^ then install a catch can. Archive - Check the vacuum with a gauge and limit it to about 10 in Hg. 6k rpm and under. I think those pumps rely on a fluid to create a sealed chamber in order to move fluid. I don't want to run a belt driven pump, to keep things simple. Here's what a couple of people have mentioned, but I have no info on it: When I upgraded to this temporary mid-level engine (or it's immediate predecessor) I was worried the much larger cam would deprive my terrible brakes of even more boost, so I replaced the gas evap cannister, long since disconnected by a previous owner, with a vacuum reservoir of about the same dimension and bought one of the $250ish vacuum pumps from SSBC to run to it - which I mounted in the nose cone. If the rubber grommet was removed, could the opening be threaded so that something like the below could be screwed in place? Those pumps help pump the oil vapors they dont actually pull enough volume to create vacuum but enough to prevent crankcase presurization while on boost. The little motor may be fine at idle, but it can't move the volume needed when laying down a pass. It pulled 4 inches and was good for 5 hp. Discover more about the small businesses partnering with Amazon and Amazons commitment to empowering them. http://www.ebay.com/itm/331126793709?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649, http://www.dcm-mfg.com/pdf/dcmotors/dc_motors.pdf. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I run mine thru a voltage dropping resistor during normal street driving, it's quieter and easier on the pump. Very interesting. That is probably enough to stop leaks. ENTER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS FOR NEW PRODUCT RELEASE ALERTS AND COMPANY NEWS. It spins pretty fast. Read our Privacy Policy for more info. On a stock engine, this isn't an issue at all, but if your already running against the limit, it might just be the factor that sends you off into holy pistons. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Second, all that oil vapor reduces the effective octane of your intake charge. Youre seeing this ad based on the products relevance to your search query. Please don't take any of these responses personally. Battery Cables. One that is made for pumping air can be driven by the engine or a little electric motor. the amount of pressure in the crankcase created by pistons moving downward, especially in a 4 cylinder is incredibly negligable. I had a problem with occassional leaks from everywhere when running long and hard at 5000+ on my 413. Content on mr2oc.com is generated by its users. Engine is 469BB with approx 630 hp. They are smart! mr2oc.com is not in any way affiliated with Toyota Motor Corporation. A mechanical system, on the other hand, would and I don't think that its positives (30 in) would outweigh the parasitic loss for our engines. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. Thought about doing it and wanted to ask who's using one and how well is it working? JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. properly sealing piston rings should not be allowing much in the way of blowby gasses anyways.. Actually Bill, For the second time in about 5 years, I have to disagree with you. I am just looking for parts that someone has used, including electric pump, as I don't want to weld into the exhaust collector. Mostly daily duty. I'm curious what your idea is as you alway seem to have very good ones. Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac? I'm not going to get into a debate with those who think an electric crankcase evacuation system is not or should not be needed b/c I have my own reasons for wanting one: To minimize any oil leaks.and they work but instead of running it off a hobbs switch I wanted it to run all the time. I've resolved that I do need it as well. JavaScript is disabled. What a joke! To Purchase any of these products please go to Related Products below. Shamelessly stolen from the Corvette Forum guys. Crafted from 6061-T6 aluminum alloy, they have successfully endured rigorous individual pressure testing, proving that they are built to last. A 2002 T/A pump that I tested pulled 3" HG. The main question is which electric pump to use based on how many inches Hg it will pull. SWEET!! Cost should be in the $50-75 range and work equally as well. A forum community dedicated to drag racing drivers and enthusiasts. This is for a street car. sorry should have explained further.have no PVC system at this time and carb has no vaccume. Pumps-I am going to have to run one (on my street car), and am also deciding whether to buy a CVR or run the Mustang Pump-(F6ZE-9A486-DC). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The incredible ability to withstand the harsh elements of racing makes these them the perfect solution for street rod and racing applications. Does anyone happen to know if there is a Earl's piece that will fit in place of the PCV valve? :thumbup. Definitely helps with weeping oil leaks. As long as there is an unrestricted path to atmosphere, there will never any positive crankcase pressure. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada, mr2oc.com is an independent Toyota enthusiast website owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc. Less than 10 in Hg makes less power if you have skinny low tension rings, more vacuum doesn't make more power and some have run into lubrication issues on wrist pins running over 15 in Hg vacuum. none of your argument says you should spend a bunch of money on a pump. If your homelife is OK with 4" then go for it. How do you guarantee a Top Fuel engine won't explode? Don't know the exact rpm though. Perfect for street performance junkies, racers, and machining enthusiasts trying to save weight while still giving your engine the edge. It may not display this or other websites correctly. There are bigger electric ones, but they aren't on brake boosters. but you better run and oil trap like the one in the pic. I run an electric pump mounted inside the car, behind the dash. Nice job on the motor. DON'T FUCKING START IT! The following errors occurred with your submission, CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion, V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette, Electric Pump Crankcase Evacuation System, In loving memory of lost CorvetteForum Brothers and Sisters. I'm working on something now that'll take 10 min to install and will have zero HP penalty. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I agree to receive emails from the site. I'm guessing I would use a pump similar to GM PN 12568241 with a small collection tank between the line coming from the valve covers and the line to the pump. You are using an out of date browser. Very small 8.2 deck height 302 cid. I'm not familiar with the threading process. Mine should be able to pull 10 or more inches at redline if it works right. 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When the nitrous comes on, the pump gets full voltage. properly sealing piston rings should not be allowing much in the way of blowby gasses anyways maybe, just maybe on a big inefficient V8 you could see something in the way of gains.. whiiiiiich would then be offset by the electrical power the system uses. And rings not exactly brand new if you know what I mean. Does anyone know if a system of this type would actually have any benefit on a 3sgte? 4.3 blazer or 3800buick etc. Nice job! Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, troubleshooting, turbos, maintenance, and more! Only breathers on the valve covers. If it's for racing, I agree with the above-if it's for the Street, there are many reports of guys running different types of electric Pumps (Mustang Cobra, VW, Audi, etc.) Will this work on any motor setup? Or waste of time? Cut tap screw or cut welt.. good luck ;-) I really don?t know but I figured I?d say something funny which may in fact be the only way to go. the amount of pressure in the crankcase created by pistons moving downward, especially in a 4 cylinder is incredibly negligable. Just a low volume weak pump that sucks amps from the battery. I can handle an electric setup in my garage and know that the vaccume pressure will be consistent as opposed to the trial and error associated with the pan evac method. Who's using that LS brake booster pump to suck on the back of those rings? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262401, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Shop products from small business brands sold in Amazons store. 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Outside the car, there is a detectable "vacuum cleaner" noise when the pump is on. If you had one vented valve cover, the extra pressure overwhelming the pump could still escape. I would just stick with an engine driven pump of course others may feel differently. My GM buddies seem to not want to talk about it, so thought I'd ask here! If not the block would still be pressurizing as the pump is overwhelmed. Thicker rails and better materials assure long lasting durability. JavaScript is disabled. Fasteners included. I tried one of these pumps on the dyno. 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Cookie Policy - Twilight Garage Aluminum Catch Tank Can Air/Oil Separator Kit for CHEVY/GM Truck 1999-2017, airmaxxx Parallel 4 Link Kit & Panhard Bar w/LH and RH Adjustable Bars. The Stock PCV valve evacuates the oil vapor to an acceptable measure for emmissions. You must log in or register to reply here. First, it contaminates the intercooler and makes the transfer of heat less effective. Battery Box, Charger, On-Off Main Power Switches & Acc. This system is electronic so it won't have any horsepower penalty. I don't think an electric pump will pull any vacuum if its not pumping a liquid. There has been lots of discussion on vacuum pumps over on speedtalk.com where several top engine builders hang out, and the very short version is that with standard rings you usually don't see any more hp but with skinny low tension rings it can be 50+ hp on a 700 hp small block chevy. I'm having a hard time finding out this info. Not only is that a neat approach for improving your car, it shows a great deal of initiative for someone to solve an issue by thinking how to do it better! This product contains a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects, or reproductive harm. At lower rpms fresh air could be circulating through the engine and still be drawn out by the pump. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Hidden wonder? It dumps it into the intake and does all kinds of bad things. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2022, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. I'm working on something now that'll take 10 min to install and will have zero HP penalty. Advertising - I can unsubscribe anytime to withdraw my consent. Basically I made a catch can out of an old Honda AC dryer and some extra fuel pump hoses/fittings and wanted to add a pull to the can. 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